Re: [AMBER] Using average frame for nmode entropy calculation?

From: Adrian Roitberg <>
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2021 12:20:37 -0400


This is NOT correct.

The way quasi harmonic analysis works (you should read the original
papers and some reviews) is to FIRST compute the average structure after
rotation and translations removed, and THEN compute the matrix of cross
correlations in that frame of reference. Then, that matrix is mass
weighted and diagonalized, providing the QH modes and frequencies.

There is no such thing as "doing the quasi-harmonic calculation on that
single frame"


On 3/28/21 10:48 AM, Liao wrote:
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> Thanks for the answer there,
> So from what I see, is calling cpptraj and seems to be generating an average frame over all the selected frames, and doing the quasi-harmonic calculation on that single frame.
> I guess now I’ll try to first manually generate an average in cpptraj, and use that single frame as the nmode calculation input to see what I get.
>> On Mar 28, 2021, at 7:37 AM, David A Case <> wrote:
>> On Sat, Mar 27, 2021, Liao wrote:
>>> I’ve been comparing my entropy results from Quasi-Harmonic calculations
>>> and normal mode calculations, both from A major difference
>>> in the results from I got was in the vibrational term, not talking
>>> about delta, just the total for each component of complex, receptor
>>> and ligand. Quasi-harmonic results were ~4 kcal/mol, while nmode was
>>> ~3500. The delta values are quite similar, but I’m also concerned about the
>>> entropy and total G energy values of the components themselves, so using
>>> quasi-harmonic method seems to be a problem to me?
>> I have to guess here, but your quasiharmonic calculations are probably only
>> computing a few of the low-frequency modes, whereas the normal mode
>> calculations are getting all of them. If that is the case, you are getting
>> tons of contributions from high-frequency modes in the normal mode case,
>> which will indeed approximately cancel.
>>> The quasi-harmonic approach was attractive because of the much lower
>>> calculation cost. It doesn’t have a minimization stage, and it takes in
>>> only an average frame.
>> I'm not sure what you mean by "takes in only a average frame".
>> Quasiharmonic calculations average over the entire trajectory to get a
>> estimate of the effective force constants.
>> For normal modes, the results will not vary a lot from snapshot to snapshot.
>> You can run some tests to see how many frames you need to analyze to get a
>> good average -- that will vary from system to system.
>> ...good luck...dac
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Dr. Adrian E. Roitberg
V.T. and Louise Jackson Professor in Chemistry
Department of Chemistry
University of Florida
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