Re: [AMBER] RESP check

From: FyD <fyd.q4md-forcefieldtools.org>
Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 09:10:58 +0200

Dear William,

> Dear AMBERI have a doubt about my RESP charge generation and hope
> someone could help me.I want to calculate the RESP charge of a
> phenol with EP on oxygen atom. I have used the following resp.in
> Phenol-EP &cntrl   nmol=1, ihfree=1,  iqopt=1,  &end  
>  1.0 PhenolEP    0   13     6   0    1   0    6   0    1   0    6  
> 0    1   0    6   3    1   4    6   1    1   2    6   0    8   0  
>  1   0    0   0

Your RESP "input 1" looks difficult to understand ;-)

> Here, I did only one step because there is no methyl groups, used
> the default qwt value (0.0005) and made constrains on similar atoms
> to be charge equally.Is that right?Sorry for any inconvenience but I
> always use RED program, but it does not support EP.

If you look in R.E.DD.B. for a small molecule; a similar one: Toluene

Use the "Download projects" tool of R.E.DD.B.

-- R.E.DD.B. code (if known)
-- Molecule keyword
-- Molecule name Toggle on
-- Author lastname
-- Theory level/Basis set
         Text Toluene

You get among others:

Search... [Done]
Result(s) for search by Molecule name Benzene
Project name Benzene
Project code W-41

i.e. http://q4md-forcefieldtools.org/REDDB/projects/W-41/

If you want to look at the corresponding resp "input 1":
http://q4md-forcefieldtools.org/REDDB/projects/W-41/input1.in
  & the resp "input 2":
http://q4md-forcefieldtools.org/REDDB/projects/W-41/input2.in

Let's make the resp "input 1" more simple using a single molecular
orientation:

  RESP-A1 project. RESP input generated by R.E.D.
  &cntrl
   ioutopt=1, iqopt=1, nmol=1, ihfree=1, irstrnt=1, qwt= 0.0005
  &end
   1.0
  Toluene
     0 15 Column not used by RESP (Added by R.E.D. for information)
     6 0 1
     1 0 2
     1 0 3
     1 0 4
     6 0 5
     6 0 6
     1 0 7
     6 0 8
     1 0 9
     6 0 10
     1 0 11
     6 8 12: means "12" is made equivalent to "8"
     1 9 13
     6 6 14
     1 7 15

Here, you want to remove the methyl group and add an O & H (by now, 13
atoms in total instead of 15).

For phenol without EP R.E.D. generates the following 1st RESP input:

  RESP-A1 project. RESP input generated by R.E.D.
  &cntrl
   ioutopt=1, iqopt=1, nmol=1, ihfree=1, irstrnt=1, qwt= 0.0005
  &end
   1.0
  Phenol-without-EP
     0 13 Column not used by RESP (Added by R.E.D. for information)
     8 0 1
     1 0 2
     6 0 3
     6 0 4
     1 0 5
     6 0 6
     1 0 7
     6 0 8
     1 0 9
     6 6 10
     1 7 11
     6 4 11
     1 5 13

For phenol with EP you would need to modify the previous 1st RESP
input a little (here let's suppose the 2 EPs are located at the end of
the PDB or mol2 file in the atom order):

  RESP-A1 project. RESP input generated by R.E.D.
  &cntrl
   ioutopt=1, iqopt=1, nmol=1, ihfree=1, irstrnt=1, qwt= 0.0005
  &end
   1.0
  Phenol-with-EP
     0 15 Column not used by RESP (Added by R.E.D. for information)
     8 0 1
     1 0 2
     6 0 3
     6 0 4
     1 0 5
     6 0 6
     1 0 7
     6 0 8
     1 0 9
     6 6 10
     1 7 11
     6 4 11
     1 5 13
     0 0 14
     0 14 15: means "15" is made equivalent to "14"

The second RESP would be:

  RESP-A1 project. RESP input generated by R.E.D.
  &cntrl
   ioutopt=1, iqopt=2, nmol=1, ihfree=1, irstrnt=1, qwt= 0.001
  &end
   1.0
  Phenol-with-EP
     0 15 Column not used by RESP (Added by R.E.D. for information)
     8 -1 1 -1 is frozen
     1 -1 2
     6 -1 3
     6 -1 4
     1 -1 5
     6 -1 6
     1 -1 7
     6 -1 8
     1 -1 9
     6 -1 10
     1 -1 11
     6 -1 11
     1 -1 13
     0 -1 14
     0 -1 15

=> all "-1" means all the charges are frozen in the second RESP stage;
(i.e. the charges of the 1st stage are conserved and are not refitted).

Using R.E.D. or any program as a black box is not good (just my
personal opinion). If you want to work on lone pairs, you need to
understand what you do & in particular the format of RESP inputs;
please see:
http://q4md-forcefieldtools.org/RED/resp/

You also need to understand the rules used in the P2N input file in
atomic charge equivalencing; please see:
http://q4md-forcefieldtools.org/Tutorial/Tutorial-1.php#3
  &
http://q4md-forcefieldtools.org/Tutorial/Tutorial-1.php#ATOM-NAME

With Ante_R.E.D. 2.0/R.E.D.-IV many new features are developed but
these rules will remain used.

Finally, if you want to derive charges for a molecule with EP; I would
first run the job _without EP_ and only after _with_ EP; => you will
be able to compare the RESP inputs; the charge values...

This is a quite challenging project... but quite exciting as well ;-)

I hope this helps,

regards, Francois



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