Re: [AMBER] wrong geometry amide nitrogen

From: Arnaud Bondon <arnaud.bondon.univ-rennes1.fr>
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2020 17:22:00 +0200

Sorry the angles were

*C**a**_- *_1 -C*_-1 -N-C**a***



Le 29/04/2020 à 17:13, Arnaud Bondon a écrit :
> I reproduced your minimization and I have hopefully the same pdb, which
> correponds to the distorted N3 and N1 and dihedral omega angles of 148
> and 150° respectively.
>
> I believed these values were out of range even for cyclic peptide but if
> you say that it is consistent with reality I have to trust you.
> Many thanks again
>
> arnuad
>
> Le 29/04/2020 à 17:09, Junmei Wang a écrit :
>> The N1 and N13 are almost planar (torsional angles of O=C-N-H are 177 and
>> 179 degrees). I don't think they are like pyramidal nitrogen in amines. I
>> think the slightly deviation from the ideal geometry is because your
>> molecule is cyclic peptide.
>>
>> Best
>>
>> Junmei
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 10:52 AM Arnaud Bondon <
>> arnaud.bondon.univ-rennes1.fr> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I looked at your min.pdb and for me the N13 displays a pyramidal
>>> character and also the N1 a little
>>>
>>> May be less pronounced that my previous pdb but not really planar
>>>
>>> I start the same command, I'll tell you
>>>
>>> thanks
>>>
>>> arnaud
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Le 29/04/2020 à 16:12, Junmei Wang a écrit :
>>>> I have tested your molecule using your prepin and frcmod files. I also
>>> did
>>>> igb=1 minimization for 10,000 steps. I did not observe weird behavior of
>>>> amide groups. Please check if you can reproduce my result.
>>>>
>>>> All the best
>>>>
>>>> Junmei
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 4:44 AM Arnaud Bondon <
>>> arnaud.bondon.univ-rennes1.fr>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for the two responses.
>>>>>
>>>>> About solvent I only used igb=1 when performing simulated annealing
>>>>> under NMR restraints (sa.in)
>>>>>
>>>>> The prep directory is attached.
>>>>>
>>>>> Many thanks for your help
>>>>>
>>>>> sincerely
>>>>>
>>>>> arnaud
>>>>>
>>>>> Le 28/04/2020 à 23:02, Junmei Wang a écrit :
>>>>>> Gaff adopted the good parameters from amber biomolecular force field.
>>> So
>>>>>> the peptide-like parameters should be similar. For you minimization,
>>> did
>>>>>> you consider solvent effect? If you send me your prep file, I will
>>> check
>>>>> if
>>>>>> it is a force field issue or not.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Junmei
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 11:02 AM David A Case <david.case.rutgers.edu>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, Apr 24, 2020, Arnaud Bondon wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ). Clearly the N10 amide nitrogen
>>>>>>>> has an pyramidal character. And the omega dihedral angles are not
>>> good
>>>>>>>> The molecule was prepared as a mol2 file Nitrogen are N.am
>>>>>>> The input atoms types don't matter: you should look at the output
>>> types
>>>>>>> in the prep file. If this is a peptide-like molecule, it may be that
>>>>>>> the gaff types don't do as well as the tuned Amber atom types.
>>>>>>> You might want to see what happens if you request Amber atom types.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm not sure whether GAFF has types that are specifically tuned for
>>>>>>> peptide bonds or not...cc-ing Junmei here.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ...good luck...dac
>>>>>>>
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