Re: [AMBER] What cutoff you use in Amber simulations?

From: Jason Swails <jason.swails.gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2016 08:57:48 -0400

 

> On Aug 19, 2016, at 7:35 AM, DmitryASuplatov <genesup.gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Dear Amber users,
>
> I understand that the larger is the cutoff for nonbonded interactions
> ("cut" parameter) the better,

This is actually not as true as you would think.

For electrostatic interactions, the cutoff only changes the overall contributions of the direct and reciprocal space calculations -- the sum of the two won't change.

For lennard jones, we use a hard cutoff, but that falls off as 1/r^6, which is a lot faster than 1/r. Moreover, we use a fairly accurate analytical correction to get the truncated energy contribution.

For PME calculations, I think most people tend to use between 8-10 angstroms, but very rarely more. For GB calculations, we tend to use an infinite cutoff.

HTH,
Jason

> however, larger values dramatically slows
> down the calculations. So its really the question of what resources you
> have. Since the computer power gets more affordable every year I assume
> that the "normal" cutoff, i.e. what users typically set to make their
> simulations supposedly more realistic, also increases. So my aim is to
> understand the current "normal" average.
>
> I myself use Tesla K40s accelerators. I set the cut=12 and then make
> water box with at least 15A gap between the protein and the cell edges
> (to avoid situations when the protein interacts with itself from another
> cell). With these settings four GPU units provide an average speed of
> approximately 8-40 ns/day for systems of 190 000 - 70 000 atoms,
> respectively (in NVT). Using more units does not improve the
> performance, so this is the maximum I can get. This speed is comfortable
> for my tasks and so I stick with these settings.
>
> How do you set you cutoff and box gap? Would you use a larger cut if you
> could?
>
> Thanks for your time
> Dmitry
>
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>> Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2016 19:40:22 +0000
>> From: Xiaoliu Zhang <xzhan91.lsu.edu>
>> Subject: [AMBER] Problem when visualizing bonds in VMD
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>> Dear Amber users,
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>>
>> I'm using amber with Amoeba force field following the Amber 16 manual, chapter 17.
>>
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>> After I got prmtop and inpcrd file by using tinker_to_amber command, I tried VMD to visualize my molecule. My Ambertool is 16 version and VMD is 1.9.1.
>>
>>
>> First i got an error:
>>
>> AMBER 7 parm read error at flag section TITILE.
>>
>> expected format %FORMAT(20a4) but got %FORMAT(a)
>>
>>
>> Then, I checked my topology file and found that it begins with this:
>>
>>
>> %VERSION VERSION_STAMP = V0001.000 DATE = 08/17/16 08:18:25
>> %FLAG TITLE
>> %FORMAT(a)
>> 7box_5 ameoba FF
>> %FLAG POINTERS
>> %FORMAT(10I8)
>>
>> I changed the %FORMAT(a) to %FORMAT(20a4) by hand and ran again.
>>
>>
>> This time there's no error in terminal. However, no matter I choose VDW or CPK, there are only atoms showing on the screen, not any bond information at all.
>>
>>
>> Do you know how to fix this problem?
>>
>>
>> Thanks in advance.
>>
>>
>> Xiaoliu
>>
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>> Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2016 16:17:27 -0400
>> From: Jason Swails <jason.swails.gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [AMBER] Problem when visualizing bonds in VMD
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>>> On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 3:40 PM, Xiaoliu Zhang <xzhan91.lsu.edu> wrote:
>>>
>>> Dear Amber users,
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm using amber with Amoeba force field following the Amber 16 manual,
>>> chapter 17.
>>>
>>>
>>> After I got prmtop and inpcrd file by using tinker_to_amber command, I
>>> tried VMD to visualize my molecule. My Ambertool is 16 version and VMD is
>>> 1.9.1.
>>>
>>>
>>> First i got an error:
>>>
>>> AMBER 7 parm read error at flag section TITILE.
>>>
>>> expected format %FORMAT(20a4) but got %FORMAT(a)
>>>
>>>
>>> Then, I checked my topology file and found that it begins with this:
>>>
>>>
>>> %VERSION VERSION_STAMP = V0001.000 DATE = 08/17/16 08:18:25
>>> %FLAG TITLE
>>> %FORMAT(a)
>>> 7box_5 ameoba FF
>>> %FLAG POINTERS
>>> %FORMAT(10I8)
>>>
>>> I changed the %FORMAT(a) to %FORMAT(20a4) by hand and ran again.
>>>
>>>
>>> This time there's no error in terminal. However, no matter I choose VDW
>>> or CPK, there are only atoms showing on the screen, not any bond
>>> information at all.
>>>
>>>
>>> Do you know how to fix this problem?
>> ?You can't use AMOEBA topology files with VMD easily.
>>
>> Try using a PDB as the topology instead.
>>
>> HTH,
>> Jason
>
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