In the old days, we didn't link to no steenkin dynamic libs because they
didn't exist reliably enough, so if you could find an x386 binary from
then, you might make it work.. maybe pre-linux. :-)
On 12/16/20 2:36 PM, Ryan Novosielski wrote:
> Not exactly; more that a version is being specified, and I have it, but an OS from some other time period may not, and the same might be true in the reverse. Sometimes in a pinch, you can get away with a symlink or something (you’ll see that some libraries in system directories already do this), but in most cases that’s not advisable/probably would have been done by the distro if it were a reasonable option.
>
>> On Dec 16, 2020, at 5:29 PM, Kenneth Huang <kennethneltharion.gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Ryan,
>>
>> Aha, I see what you mean- it's subbing in the old libraries with the new
>> ones?.I guess whatever effect it has no one could say until you test it,
>> but guess can't be helped given the time lapse between now and back then.
>> But I'll keep it in mind if I ever do find a copy anywhere.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Kenneth
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 16, 2020 at 4:02 PM Ryan Novosielski <novosirj.rutgers.edu>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> It depends on the software package. I’ve definitely tried to run stuff
>>> after an upgrade or on a different system or that was installed by package
>>> that expected a slightly different operating system and been told “such and
>>> such lib.so.5 missing,” and seeing either lib.so.4 or lib.so.6 present on
>>> the system. This is sort of moot as you don’t have a copy right now, but
>>> you’ll see in this output here some places where you might have a problem,
>>> depending on the build:
>>>
>>> # ldd -v
>>> /opt/sw/packages/gcc-7_4/mvapich2-2_3/cuda-10_0/amber/20/bin/sander
>>> linux-vdso.so.1 => (0x00007fffcd781000)
>>> libemil.so =>
>>> /opt/sw/packages/gcc-7_4/mvapich2-2_3/cuda-10_0/amber/20//lib/libemil.so
>>> (0x00007fcc6ef09000)
>>> libsff_fortran.so =>
>>> /opt/sw/packages/gcc-7_4/mvapich2-2_3/cuda-10_0/amber/20//lib/libsff_fortran.so
>>> (0x00007fcc6eced000)
>>> libnetcdff.so.6 =>
>>> /opt/sw/packages/gcc-7_4/mvapich2-2_3/cuda-10_0/amber/20//lib/libnetcdff.so.6
>>> (0x00007fcc6ea79000)
>>> libnetcdf.so.13 =>
>>> /opt/sw/packages/gcc-7_4/mvapich2-2_3/cuda-10_0/amber/20//lib/libnetcdf.so.13
>>> (0x00007fcc6e7a5000)
>>> libdl.so.2 => /lib64/libdl.so.2 (0x00007fcc6e5a1000)
>>> libfftw3.so.3 => /lib64/libfftw3.so.3 (0x00007fcc6e21c000)
>>> libarpack.so =>
>>> /opt/sw/packages/gcc-7_4/mvapich2-2_3/cuda-10_0/amber/20//lib/libarpack.so
>>> (0x00007fcc6dfff000)
>>> liblapack.so =>
>>> /opt/sw/packages/gcc-7_4/mvapich2-2_3/cuda-10_0/amber/20//lib/liblapack.so
>>> (0x00007fcc6dd00000)
>>> libblas.so =>
>>> /opt/sw/packages/gcc-7_4/mvapich2-2_3/cuda-10_0/amber/20//lib/libblas.so
>>> (0x00007fcc6dad1000)
>>> libm.so.6 => /lib64/libm.so.6 (0x00007fcc6d7cf000)
>>> libz.so.1 => /lib64/libz.so.1 (0x00007fcc6d5b9000)
>>> libstdc++.so.6 => /opt/sw/packages/gcc/7.4/lib64/libstdc++.so.6
>>> (0x00007fcc6d236000)
>>> libgfortran.so.4 =>
>>> /opt/sw/packages/gcc/7.4/lib64/libgfortran.so.4 (0x00007fcc6ce64000)
>>> libgcc_s.so.1 => /opt/sw/packages/gcc/7.4/lib64/libgcc_s.so.1
>>> (0x00007fcc6cc4d000)
>>> libquadmath.so.0 =>
>>> /opt/sw/packages/gcc/7.4/lib64/libquadmath.so.0 (0x00007fcc6ca0e000)
>>> libc.so.6 => /lib64/libc.so.6 (0x00007fcc6c640000)
>>> /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 (0x00007fcc6f133000)
>>>
>>> Version information:
>>>
>>> /opt/sw/packages/gcc-7_4/mvapich2-2_3/cuda-10_0/amber/20/bin/sander:
>>> libgcc_s.so.1 (GCC_3.0) =>
>>> /opt/sw/packages/gcc/7.4/lib64/libgcc_s.so.1
>>> libgcc_s.so.1 (GCC_4.0.0) =>
>>> /opt/sw/packages/gcc/7.4/lib64/libgcc_s.so.1
>>> libstdc++.so.6 (GLIBCXX_3.4) =>
>>> /opt/sw/packages/gcc/7.4/lib64/libstdc++.so.6
>>> libstdc++.so.6 (CXXABI_1.3) =>
>>> /opt/sw/packages/gcc/7.4/lib64/libstdc++.so.6
>>> libdl.so.2 (GLIBC_2.2.5) => /lib64/libdl.so.2
>>> libc.so.6 (GLIBC_2.14) => /lib64/libc.so.6
>>> libc.so.6 (GLIBC_2.2.5) => /lib64/libc.so.6
>>> libm.so.6 (GLIBC_2.2.5) => /lib64/libm.so.6
>>> libgfortran.so.4 (GFORTRAN_7) =>
>>> /opt/sw/packages/gcc/7.4/lib64/libgfortran.so.4
>>>
>>> /opt/sw/packages/gcc-7_4/mvapich2-2_3/cuda-10_0/amber/20//lib/libemil.so:
>>> libgcc_s.so.1 (GCC_3.0) =>
>>> /opt/sw/packages/gcc/7.4/lib64/libgcc_s.so.1
>>> libc.so.6 (GLIBC_2.14) => /lib64/libc.so.6
>>> libc.so.6 (GLIBC_2.2.5) => /lib64/libc.so.6
>>> libm.so.6 (GLIBC_2.2.5) => /lib64/libm.so.6
>>> libstdc++.so.6 (CXXABI_1.3) =>
>>> /opt/sw/packages/gcc/7.4/lib64/libstdc++.so.6
>>> libstdc++.so.6 (CXXABI_1.3.8) =>
>>> /opt/sw/packages/gcc/7.4/lib64/libstdc++.so.6
>>> libstdc++.so.6 (GLIBCXX_3.4.11) =>
>>> /opt/sw/packages/gcc/7.4/lib64/libstdc++.so.6
>>> libstdc++.so.6 (GLIBCXX_3.4.9) =>
>>> /opt/sw/packages/gcc/7.4/lib64/libstdc++.so.6
>>> libstdc++.so.6 (GLIBCXX_3.4) =>
>>> /opt/sw/packages/gcc/7.4/lib64/libstdc++.so.6
>>> libstdc++.so.6 (GLIBCXX_3.4.21) =>
>>> /opt/sw/packages/gcc/7.4/lib64/libstdc++.so.6
>>>
>>> /opt/sw/packages/gcc-7_4/mvapich2-2_3/cuda-10_0/amber/20//lib/libsff_fortran.so:
>>> libgfortran.so.4 (GFORTRAN_7) =>
>>> /opt/sw/packages/gcc/7.4/lib64/libgfortran.so.4
>>> libc.so.6 (GLIBC_2.14) => /lib64/libc.so.6
>>> libc.so.6 (GLIBC_2.2.5) => /lib64/libc.so.6
>>> libm.so.6 (GLIBC_2.2.5) => /lib64/libm.so.6
>>>
>>> /opt/sw/packages/gcc-7_4/mvapich2-2_3/cuda-10_0/amber/20//lib/libnetcdff.so.6:
>>> libgfortran.so.4 (GFORTRAN_7) =>
>>> /opt/sw/packages/gcc/7.4/lib64/libgfortran.so.4
>>> libc.so.6 (GLIBC_2.14) => /lib64/libc.so.6
>>> libc.so.6 (GLIBC_2.2.5) => /lib64/libc.so.6
>>>
>>> /opt/sw/packages/gcc-7_4/mvapich2-2_3/cuda-10_0/amber/20//lib/libnetcdf.so.13:
>>> libm.so.6 (GLIBC_2.2.5) => /lib64/libm.so.6
>>> libc.so.6 (GLIBC_2.3) => /lib64/libc.so.6
>>> libc.so.6 (GLIBC_2.14) => /lib64/libc.so.6
>>> libc.so.6 (GLIBC_2.2.5) => /lib64/libc.so.6
>>> /lib64/libdl.so.2:
>>> ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 (GLIBC_PRIVATE) =>
>>> /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2
>>> libc.so.6 (GLIBC_PRIVATE) => /lib64/libc.so.6
>>> libc.so.6 (GLIBC_2.2.5) => /lib64/libc.so.6
>>> /lib64/libfftw3.so.3:
>>> libm.so.6 (GLIBC_2.2.5) => /lib64/libm.so.6
>>> libc.so.6 (GLIBC_2.3.4) => /lib64/libc.so.6
>>> libc.so.6 (GLIBC_2.14) => /lib64/libc.so.6
>>> libc.so.6 (GLIBC_2.4) => /lib64/libc.so.6
>>> libc.so.6 (GLIBC_2.2.5) => /lib64/libc.so.6
>>>
>>> /opt/sw/packages/gcc-7_4/mvapich2-2_3/cuda-10_0/amber/20//lib/libarpack.so:
>>> libm.so.6 (GLIBC_2.2.5) => /lib64/libm.so.6
>>> libgfortran.so.4 (GFORTRAN_7) =>
>>> /opt/sw/packages/gcc/7.4/lib64/libgfortran.so.4
>>> libc.so.6 (GLIBC_2.2.5) => /lib64/libc.so.6
>>>
>>> /opt/sw/packages/gcc-7_4/mvapich2-2_3/cuda-10_0/amber/20//lib/liblapack.so:
>>> libgcc_s.so.1 (GCC_4.0.0) =>
>>> /opt/sw/packages/gcc/7.4/lib64/libgcc_s.so.1
>>> libgfortran.so.4 (GFORTRAN_7) =>
>>> /opt/sw/packages/gcc/7.4/lib64/libgfortran.so.4
>>> libc.so.6 (GLIBC_2.14) => /lib64/libc.so.6
>>> libc.so.6 (GLIBC_2.2.5) => /lib64/libc.so.6
>>> libm.so.6 (GLIBC_2.2.5) => /lib64/libm.so.6
>>>
>>> /opt/sw/packages/gcc-7_4/mvapich2-2_3/cuda-10_0/amber/20//lib/libblas.so:
>>> libc.so.6 (GLIBC_2.14) => /lib64/libc.so.6
>>> libc.so.6 (GLIBC_2.2.5) => /lib64/libc.so.6
>>> libgfortran.so.4 (GFORTRAN_7) =>
>>> /opt/sw/packages/gcc/7.4/lib64/libgfortran.so.4
>>> /lib64/libm.so.6:
>>> ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 (GLIBC_PRIVATE) =>
>>> /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2
>>> libc.so.6 (GLIBC_2.2.5) => /lib64/libc.so.6
>>> libc.so.6 (GLIBC_PRIVATE) => /lib64/libc.so.6
>>> /lib64/libz.so.1:
>>> libc.so.6 (GLIBC_2.3.4) => /lib64/libc.so.6
>>> libc.so.6 (GLIBC_2.14) => /lib64/libc.so.6
>>> libc.so.6 (GLIBC_2.4) => /lib64/libc.so.6
>>> libc.so.6 (GLIBC_2.2.5) => /lib64/libc.so.6
>>> /opt/sw/packages/gcc/7.4/lib64/libstdc++.so.6:
>>> libm.so.6 (GLIBC_2.2.5) => /lib64/libm.so.6
>>> ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 (GLIBC_2.3) =>
>>> /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2
>>> libgcc_s.so.1 (GCC_4.2.0) =>
>>> /opt/sw/packages/gcc/7.4/lib64/libgcc_s.so.1
>>> libgcc_s.so.1 (GCC_3.3) =>
>>> /opt/sw/packages/gcc/7.4/lib64/libgcc_s.so.1
>>> libgcc_s.so.1 (GCC_3.0) =>
>>> /opt/sw/packages/gcc/7.4/lib64/libgcc_s.so.1
>>> libc.so.6 (GLIBC_2.14) => /lib64/libc.so.6
>>> libc.so.6 (GLIBC_2.16) => /lib64/libc.so.6
>>> libc.so.6 (GLIBC_2.3) => /lib64/libc.so.6
>>> libc.so.6 (GLIBC_2.17) => /lib64/libc.so.6
>>> libc.so.6 (GLIBC_2.3.2) => /lib64/libc.so.6
>>> libc.so.6 (GLIBC_2.2.5) => /lib64/libc.so.6
>>> /opt/sw/packages/gcc/7.4/lib64/libgfortran.so.4:
>>> libm.so.6 (GLIBC_2.2.5) => /lib64/libm.so.6
>>> libgcc_s.so.1 (GCC_4.2.0) =>
>>> /opt/sw/packages/gcc/7.4/lib64/libgcc_s.so.1
>>> libgcc_s.so.1 (GCC_3.0) =>
>>> /opt/sw/packages/gcc/7.4/lib64/libgcc_s.so.1
>>> libgcc_s.so.1 (GCC_3.3) =>
>>> /opt/sw/packages/gcc/7.4/lib64/libgcc_s.so.1
>>> libgcc_s.so.1 (GCC_4.3.0) =>
>>> /opt/sw/packages/gcc/7.4/lib64/libgcc_s.so.1
>>> libquadmath.so.0 (QUADMATH_1.0) =>
>>> /opt/sw/packages/gcc/7.4/lib64/libquadmath.so.0
>>> libc.so.6 (GLIBC_2.6) => /lib64/libc.so.6
>>> libc.so.6 (GLIBC_2.14) => /lib64/libc.so.6
>>> libc.so.6 (GLIBC_2.7) => /lib64/libc.so.6
>>> libc.so.6 (GLIBC_2.17) => /lib64/libc.so.6
>>> libc.so.6 (GLIBC_2.2.5) => /lib64/libc.so.6
>>> libc.so.6 (GLIBC_2.3) => /lib64/libc.so.6
>>> /opt/sw/packages/gcc/7.4/lib64/libgcc_s.so.1:
>>> libc.so.6 (GLIBC_2.14) => /lib64/libc.so.6
>>> libc.so.6 (GLIBC_2.2.5) => /lib64/libc.so.6
>>> /opt/sw/packages/gcc/7.4/lib64/libquadmath.so.0:
>>> libc.so.6 (GLIBC_2.3) => /lib64/libc.so.6
>>> libc.so.6 (GLIBC_2.14) => /lib64/libc.so.6
>>> libc.so.6 (GLIBC_2.10) => /lib64/libc.so.6
>>> libc.so.6 (GLIBC_2.2.5) => /lib64/libc.so.6
>>> libm.so.6 (GLIBC_2.2.5) => /lib64/libm.so.6
>>> /lib64/libc.so.6:
>>> ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 (GLIBC_2.3) =>
>>> /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2
>>> ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 (GLIBC_PRIVATE) =>
>>> /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2
>>>
>>> --
>>> #BlackLivesMatter
>>> ____
>>> || \\UTGERS, |---------------------------*O*---------------------------
>>> ||_// the State | Ryan Novosielski - novosirj.rutgers.edu
>>> || \\ University | Sr. Technologist - 973/972.0922 (2x0922) ~*~ RBHS Campus
>>> || \\ of NJ | Office of Advanced Research Computing - MSB C630, Newark
>>> `'
>>>
>>>> On Dec 16, 2020, at 3:49 PM, Kenneth Huang <kennethneltharion.gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> Hi Ryan,
>>>>
>>>> Would the current libraries contribute that much of a difference? I don't
>>>> expect them to be identical to say 3rd or 4th decimal place, but even
>>>> considering rounding and precision, shouldn't it be similar? Disclosure-
>>>> I've never tried testing Amber compilations across different libraries.
>>>>
>>>> My very rough grasp of its timeline makes me think 1990-1996? The Amber7
>>>> manual is dated to 2002, so I'd guess it'd have been built on Debaian 1.0
>>>> or maybe even earlier?
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>>
>>>> Kenneth
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Dec 16, 2020 at 12:35 PM Ryan Novosielski <novosirj.rutgers.edu>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
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>>>>> I think that's probably unlikely. Even in cases where cases where a
>>>>> piece of software compiles fine on either, if it builds against a
>>>>> specific version of a library (whatever.so.5), it's probably not going
>>>>> to work out on the newer one. Not sure when Amber 4 was from,
>>>>> though/what OS would have been current. I don't think I've come across
>>>>> older than 11 myself. Would that then be from 2004? So I guess RHEL
>>>>> 2-3/Debian 3.0 timeframe?
>>>>>
>>>>> On 12/16/20 12:54 AM, Kenneth Huang wrote:
>>>>>> Hi Bill,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yeah, that was my next try, since I naively thought sander
>>>>>> shouldn't have changed too much that present day libraries may
>>>>>> work? Though I've had little luck in finding any one with the
>>>>>> source code or much documentation from that far back- I knew it was
>>>>>> a very, very long stretch, given how far back I'm digging.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kenneth
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 11:20 PM Bill Ross <ross.cgl.ucsf.edu>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'd find a copy of the source and compile it. Probably
>>>>>>> sander/cpu wouldn't be a lot of work to do. A binary from then
>>>>>>> might expect old libs to be in place.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bill
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 12/15/20 2:37 PM, Kenneth Huang wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A very strange question- does anyone happen to have, or know
>>>>>>>> anyone who
>>>>>>> has
>>>>>>>> the old binaries for Amber 4 gathering dust on a hard disk?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm having something of a debate about whether the minimization
>>>>>>>> procedure in what was shipped in Amber 4 (assuming done in
>>>>>>>> sander?) would be comperable to minimization in contemporary
>>>>>>>> Amber (specifically sander in Amber 16,18, 20) builds given the
>>>>>>>> same setup, parameters, etc. Given
>>>>>>> sander
>>>>>>>> is one of the older parts of Amber, my thought is that it
>>>>>>>> shouldn't have changed much?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Barring the unlikely chance anyone has still code that old
>>>>>>>> around still, would there be any good way to test to see if the
>>>>>>>> minization changed in a signficant way? My first thought was to
>>>>>>>> find a minimized test structure
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> the source code that might date back from that time, but I
>>>>>>>> haven't had
>>>>>>> much
>>>>>>>> luck in sifting through the test folder so far.
>>>>> - --
>>>>> #BlackLivesMatter
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