Re: [AMBER] Few queries about membrane protein simulations

From: Joseph Baker <bakerj.tcnj.edu>
Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2015 20:04:26 -0400

Thanks, Ross. I'll take a look at the source diffs a little more closely
and see if it is obvious where to change things.


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On Sat, Jun 13, 2015 at 1:48 PM, Ross Walker <ross.rosswalker.co.uk> wrote:
> Hi Joe,
>
> For now you would need to modify the code for just the Z direction. We
> have code internally for doing this but need to make the user interface
> clean and generalized. Likely it will be released with the next version of
> AMBER.
>
> All the best
> Ross
>
> > On Jun 12, 2015, at 9:07 PM, Joseph Baker <bakerj.tcnj.edu> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Ross,
> >
> > Thanks. But those bugfixes just mean that now groups of atoms can be used
> > in place of single atoms for the various iat(n) values, right? Does that
> > update also allow for the nmropt distance restraint between the COMs of
> > those two selections to be just in the z direction like you mentioned
> > (e.g., a molecule above a membrane, for which you'd want to have umbrella
> > windows along the membrane normal constraining the molecule to various Z
> > values)? I thought that the distance restraint in the &rst namelist,
> > whether it be between atoms or COMs of many atoms, does not restrain
> along
> > some direction.
> >
> > Kind regards,
> > Joe
> >
> >
> > --
> > Joseph Baker, PhD
> > Assistant Professor
> > Department of Chemistry
> > C101 Science Complex
> > The College of New Jersey
> > Ewing, NJ 08628
> > Phone: (609) 771-3173
> > Web: http://bakerj.pages.tcnj.edu/
> > <https://sites.google.com/site/bakercompchemlab/>
> >
> > On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 10:46 PM, Ross Walker <ross.rosswalker.co.uk>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Joe,
> >>
> >> See updates 10 and 11 to ABER 14. :-)
> >>
> >> http://ambermd.org/bugfixes14.html
> >>
> >> All the best
> >> Ross
> >>
> >>> On Jun 12, 2015, at 7:25 AM, Joseph Baker <bakerj.tcnj.edu> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi all,
> >>>
> >>> Ross, I noticed in this thread you just mentioned that
> >>>
> >>> """> 6. Is it possible to do PMF calculation with classical MD
> >> trajectories
> >>> or
> >>>> do I want to carried out umbrella sampling separately for PMF?
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> Yes you can do a PMF by using umbrella sampling. For example
> constraining
> >>> the center of mass of the bilayer or protein to a molecule of your
> choice
> >>> with the restraint just applying in the Z direction. Then just
> >> reconstruct
> >>> things with  WHAM."""
> >>>
> >>> My understanding from the manual and some previous threads is that a
> >>> restraint just applied along the Z direction is not possible in pmemd
> or
> >>> pmemd.cuda, but just in sander (through the . Am I wrong? This would
> >>> actually be very helpful for some simulations I want to run looking at
> >>> molecules moving through membranes.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>> Joe
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Joseph Baker, PhD
> >>> Assistant Professor
> >>> Department of Chemistry
> >>> C101 Science Complex
> >>> The College of New Jersey
> >>> Ewing, NJ 08628
> >>> Phone: (609) 771-3173
> >>> Web: http://bakerj.pages.tcnj.edu/
> >>> <https://sites.google.com/site/bakercompchemlab/>
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 5:26 AM, anu chandra <anu80125.gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Thanks for the input, Jason and Ross.
> >>>>
> >>>> On Mon, Jun 8, 2015 at 5:17 PM, Ross Walker <ross.rosswalker.co.uk>
> >> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Hi Anu,
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> My queries are,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> 1. I wish to use lipid 14  and FF14SB force fields for membrane and
> >>>>> protein
> >>>>>> respectively. Will it be okay? Do I have to use any correction terms
> >>>>> here?
> >>>>>> I will be using POPC membrane.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Yes this is fine and no correction terms are needed.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> 2. I have noticed in literature that , for microsecond long
> >>>> simulations,
> >>>>>> sometimes a 3 fs or 4 fs time steps were used. How safe to use such
> a
> >>>>> large
> >>>>>> simulation time step, though it reduce the use of computations
> >>>> resource?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> You can use 4fs time steps as long as you enable hydrogen mass
> >>>>> repartitioning - see
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hopkins C.W., Le Grand, S., Walker, R.C., Roitberg, A.E., "Long Time
> >> Step
> >>>>> Molecular Dynamics through Hydrogen Mass Repartitioning", J. Chem.
> >>>> Theory.
> >>>>> Comput., 2015, 11 (4), 1864-1874, DOI: 10.1021/ct5010406
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Although this has not been extensively tested with membranes.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> 3. The membrane protein, I am working with, transport ions depend on
> >>>> the
> >>>>>> concentration gradient. In order to implement this in my
> simulation, I
> >>>> am
> >>>>>> planning to add ions ( for e.g KCl) in one of the leaflet to see the
> >>>>>> movement of ions to the other leaflet through the pore. Am I making
> >>>> sense
> >>>>>> here, by restricting ion distribution to only one of the leaflet
> >> rather
> >>>>>> than randomly placing in the entire simulation box (usually do for
> >>>>> protein
> >>>>>> simulation) at the starting of simulation?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> We are working on support for asymmetric boundary conditions that
> will
> >>>>> effectively invert the symmetry in the Z direction allowing for ion
> >>>>> gradients. At present though this is not released. Your only real
> >> option
> >>>>> right now is to build a double bi-layer which will work fine but
> makes
> >>>> you
> >>>>> simulation larger and thus more expensive computationally. If you
> don't
> >>>> do
> >>>>> this then ions can just diffuse out the top of the box and thus
> appear
> >> in
> >>>>> the bottom of the adjacent box and therefore mix without having to
> >>>> traverse
> >>>>> the membrane.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> 4. How can I build slab geometry boundary condition in Amber to
> >>>> maintain
> >>>>>> ion asymmetry? (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12829468)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> You would need to modify the code to support this. I would take a
> good
> >>>>> look in the literature at the different methods people have tried
> >> before
> >>>>> determining which is optimal. One thing that concerns me in the paper
> >> you
> >>>>> reference here is the term:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "It was shown recently that the Ewald method devised for systems with
> >>>>> three-dimensional boundary conditions can also be applied to systems
> >> with
> >>>>> slab geometry if the correct surface term is considered."
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Note the use of a 'surface term' - this is something completely
> >>>> artificial
> >>>>> and what everyone in the field developing lipid force fields has been
> >>>>> working to move away from over the last several years.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> 5. If I would like to do membrane protein simulations with an
> applied
> >>>>>> electric filed along Z-direction, how can I implement the electric
> >>>> field
> >>>>> in
> >>>>>> Amber simulations?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Again you would need to add code to do this but it should not be too
> >>>>> difficult and would be less work than changing the way the boundary
> >>>>> conditions work. Although you'll need to figure out how to make this
> >>>> behave
> >>>>> correctly with PME. If you turn off PME then there is no warranty on
> >> the
> >>>>> lipid parameters. ;-)
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> 6. Is it possible to do PMF calculation with classical MD
> trajectories
> >>>> or
> >>>>>> do I want to carried out umbrella sampling separately for PMF?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Yes you can do a PMF by using umbrella sampling. For example
> >> constraining
> >>>>> the center of mass of the bilayer or protein to a molecule of your
> >> choice
> >>>>> with the restraint just applying in the Z direction. Then just
> >>>> reconstruct
> >>>>> things with  WHAM.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> 7. Though I wish to use Amber for membrane protein simulation, some
> >> one
> >>>>>> kindly provide some reference for membrane protein simulation where
> >>>> Amber
> >>>>>> used? ( sorry, I couldn't get one)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>
> https://scholar.google.com/scholar?cites=18167191384346104623&as_sdt=2005&sciodt=0,5&hl=en
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>
> https://scholar.google.com/scholar?cites=6723301433213089413&as_sdt=2005&sciodt=0,5&hl=en
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>
> https://scholar.google.com/scholar?cites=16304784273481526405&as_sdt=2005&sciodt=0,5&hl=en
> >>>>>
> >>>>> All the best
> >>>>> Ross
> >>>>>
> >>>>> /\
> >>>>> \/
> >>>>> |\oss Walker
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>> |             Associate Research Professor              |
> >>>>> |            San Diego Supercomputer Center             |
> >>>>> |             Adjunct Associate Professor               |
> >>>>> |         Dept. of Chemistry and Biochemistry           |
> >>>>> |          University of California San Diego           |
> >>>>> |                     NVIDIA Fellow                     |
> >>>>> | http://www.rosswalker.co.uk | http://www.wmd-lab.org  |
> >>>>> | Tel: +1 858 822 0854 | EMail:- ross.rosswalker.co.uk  |
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