Re: [AMBER] Minimization and Heating error

From: Yong Duan <duan.ucdavis.edu>
Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2011 11:56:14 -0800

Your previous runs without shake were ok because you used 0.5fs time step
and at 50K. For production runs, the typical time step is 1-2fs and
temperature is typically at 300K. When you change to dt=1fs, temp0=300K,
the system would crash almost immediately with NTC=1.

Now, I lost track of what you've done and can no longer make any further
suggestions.


--
Yong Duan, Ph.D, Professor
UC Davis Genome Center and
Department of Biomedical Engineering
University of California at Davis
Davis, CA 95616
530-754-7632
On 12/6/11 11:27 AM, "kirtana S" <skirtana4.gmail.com> wrote:
>I did enenrgy minimization again because my previous run on constant
>volume
>for 100ps were all using ntc=1 ntf=1 and yesterday your message asked me
>to
>change this with use of shake (ntc=2, ntf=2)
>due to the presence of TIP3P water models.I was mistaken in understand thi
>was only for the next steps of MD I interpreted this was for the constnat
>volume equilibration
>
>I am thankful for your suggestions and  want to follow them , I changed
>thread to avoid complications in following this up .
>I did energy minimization now again without using shake (realising the
>linmin failures) and then submitted for warming the system (for 70000
>steps
>with time step of 0.5 fs) to 50K.
>
>While heating the ssytem experience sudden rise . Previous runs with
>noshake was running alright whereas gave me problems when I tried with
>ntc=2 ntf=2 so I change all initial files
>
>The input file
>
>  heat/dynamics at constant volume
> &cntrl
>   imin=0,
>   ntxo=1, ntrx=1,
>   cut=10.0,tempi=0.1,
>   ntpr=500, ntwx=500, ntwe=500,
>   nstlim=70000, temp0=50.0,
>   dt=0.0005,
>   ntc=2, ntf=2, tol=0.0000001,
>   ntx=1, irest=0,
>   ntb=1,tautp=2,
>   ntt=1,
>   nmropt=1,ntr=1
>  /
> &wt
> type='TEMP0', istep1=0,istep2=70000,value1=0.0, value2=50.0,
> /
> &wt type='END',
> /
>GROUP FOR CONSTRAINTS
> 1.0
>RES 1 336
>END
>END
>
>The output is as below
>
> NSTEP =        0   TIME(PS) =       0.000  TEMP(K) =     0.12  PRESS =
>0.0
> Etot   =   -131735.4984  EKtot   =         6.8292  EPtot      =
>-131742.3276
> BOND   =        45.8203  ANGLE   =      1336.2952  DIHED      =
>398.4060
> 1-4 NB =       288.7849  1-4 EEL =      7155.9672  VDWAALS    =
>22723.1972
> EELEC  =   -163690.7984  EHBOND  =         0.0000  RESTRAINT  =
>0.0000
> Ewald error estimate:   0.1507E-05
> 
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------
>----
>
> NMR restraints: Bond =    0.000   Angle =     0.000   Torsion =     0.000
>==========================================================================
>=====
>
> NSTEP =      500   TIME(PS) =       0.250  TEMP(K) =   113.22  PRESS =
>0.0
> Etot   =    -88875.0006  EKtot   =      6625.2647  EPtot      =
>-95500.2653
> BOND   =        60.0946  ANGLE   =      1380.3103  DIHED      =
>437.6682
> 1-4 NB =       293.3695  1-4 EEL =      7165.5473  VDWAALS    =
>16386.6812
> EELEC  =   -121314.9083  EHBOND  =         0.0000  RESTRAINT  =
>90.9720
> EAMBER (non-restraint)  =    -95591.2373
> Ewald error estimate:   0.5773E-04
> 
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------
>----
>
> NMR restraints: Bond =    0.000   Angle =     0.000   Torsion =     0.000
>==========================================================================
>=====
>
> NSTEP =     1000   TIME(PS) =       0.500  TEMP(K) =   237.67  PRESS =
>0.0
> Etot   =    -73943.6039  EKtot   =     13908.2480  EPtot      =
>-87851.8519
> BOND   =       114.9807  ANGLE   =      1574.0233  DIHED      =
>610.6214
> 1-4 NB =       311.8003  1-4 EEL =      7180.5394  VDWAALS    =
>14639.1175
> EELEC  =   -113170.4726  EHBOND  =         0.0000  RESTRAINT  =
>887.5381
> EAMBER (non-restraint)  =    -88739.3900
> Ewald error estimate:   0.1201E-04
> 
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------
>----
>
> NMR restraints: Bond =    0.000   Angle =     0.000   Torsion =     0.000
>==========================================================================
>=====
>
>
>I tried changing tautp=0.2 and also removed restraits with nscm=20 , still
>there are issues . Can you suggest something on this.
>
>Thanks
>Kirtana
>
>
>
>
>
>
>On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 2:04 PM, Yong Duan <duan.ucdavis.edu> wrote:
>
>>
>> The ntc=2 was for MD only, not for energy minimization. There is really
>>no
>> need for energy minimization after you start MD for 100 ps. If you
>>indeed
>> need to perform energy minimization, we can deal with it later.
>>
>> Please let me know if you do not want to follow my suggestions. I'd be
>> happy to stop. Just in case you still want to try to follow my
>> suggestions, please do exactly what I said, continue the MD for 100 ps
>> with the exactly the input I told you earlier. It is hard to find out
>>what
>> went wrong when you change the input parameters.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Yong Duan, Ph.D, Professor
>> UC Davis Genome Center and
>> Department of Biomedical Engineering
>> University of California at Davis
>> Davis, CA 95616
>> 530-754-7632
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 12/6/11 9:50 AM, "kirtana S" <skirtana4.gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Dear All,
>> >
>> >When I heat up the simulation box using the following input file after
>> >minimization using (ntc=2 ntf=2 as recommended for TIP3P water models),
>> >below are the input files and output files any suggestions are highly
>> >appreciated.
>> >minimization of water or solvent molecules
>> >&cntrl
>> >   imin=1,
>> >   ntb=1,
>> >   cut=10.0,ntc=2,ntf=2,
>> >   maxcyc=10000, ncyc=1000,
>> >   ntt=0,
>> >&end
>> >
>> >
>> >   heat/dynamics at constant volume
>> > &cntrl
>> >   imin=0,
>> >   ntxo=1, ntrx=1,
>> >   cut=10.0,tempi=0.1,
>> >   ntpr=500, ntwx=500, ntwe=500,
>> >   nstlim=70000, temp0=50.0,
>> >   dt=0.0005,
>> >   ntc=2, ntf=2, tol=0.0000001,
>> >   ntx=1, irest=0,
>> >   ntb=1,tautp=1,
>> >   ntt=1,
>> >   nmropt=1,ntr=1
>> >  /
>> > &wt
>> > type='TEMP0', istep1=0,istep2=70000,value1=0.0, value2=50.0,
>> > /
>> > &wt type='END',
>> > /
>> >GROUP FOR CONSTRAINTS
>> > 1.0
>> >RES 1 336
>> >END
>> >END
>> >
>> >
>> >The end of output file of minimization run as below
>> >
>> >(restarts due to linmin failure), when I visualize there are no
>> >distortions
>> >
>> >  NSTEP       ENERGY          RMS            GMAX         NAME
>>NUMBER
>> >   2600      -6.7523E+04     8.3420E+00     3.2510E+01     O
>>13912
>> >
>> > BOND    =      152.6560  ANGLE   =     1964.1433  DIHED      =
>> >1373.5294
>> > VDWAALS =     5460.4290  EEL     =   -83974.9686  HBOND      =
>> > 0.0000
>> > 1-4 VDW =      446.5435  1-4 EEL =     7054.7245  RESTRAINT  =
>> > 0.0000
>> >
>> >
>> >   NSTEP       ENERGY          RMS            GMAX         NAME
>>NUMBER
>> >   2650      -6.7523E+04     8.3420E+00     3.2510E+01     O
>>13912
>> >
>> > BOND    =      152.6559  ANGLE   =     1964.1432  DIHED      =
>> >1373.5293
>> > VDWAALS =     5460.4299  EEL     =   -83974.9676  HBOND      =
>> > 0.0000
>> > 1-4 VDW =      446.5434  1-4 EEL =     7054.7247  RESTRAINT  =
>> > 0.0000
>> >
>> >
>> >   NSTEP       ENERGY          RMS            GMAX         NAME
>>NUMBER
>> >   2700      -6.7523E+04     8.3420E+00     3.2510E+01     O
>>13912
>> >
>> > BOND    =      152.6548  ANGLE   =     1964.1401  DIHED      =
>> >1373.5274
>> > VDWAALS =     5460.4165  EEL     =   -83974.9495  HBOND      =
>> > 0.0000
>> > 1-4 VDW =      446.5427  1-4 EEL =     7054.7239  RESTRAINT  =
>> > 0.0000
>> >
>> >
>> >   NSTEP       ENERGY          RMS            GMAX         NAME
>>NUMBER
>> >   2750      -6.7523E+04     8.3420E+00     3.2510E+01     O
>>13912
>> >
>> > BOND    =      152.6537  ANGLE   =     1964.1379  DIHED      =
>> >1373.5260
>> > VDWAALS =     5460.4066  EEL     =   -83974.9334  HBOND      =
>> > 0.0000
>> > 1-4 VDW =      446.5420  1-4 EEL =     7054.7236  RESTRAINT  =
>> > 0.0000
>> >
>> >
>> >   NSTEP       ENERGY          RMS            GMAX         NAME
>>NUMBER
>> >   2800      -6.7523E+04     8.3420E+00     3.2510E+01     O
>>13912
>> >
>> > BOND    =      152.6525  ANGLE   =     1964.1346  DIHED      =
>> >1373.5240
>> > VDWAALS =     5460.3908  EEL     =   -83974.9113  HBOND      =
>> > 0.0000
>> > 1-4 VDW =      446.5412  1-4 EEL =     7054.7228  RESTRAINT  =
>> > 0.0000
>> >
>> >     ... RESTARTED DUE TO LINMIN FAILURE ...
>> >
>> >     ***** REPEATED LINMIN FAILURE *****
>> >
>> >     ***** SEE http://ambermd.org/Questions/linmin.html FOR MORE INFO
>> >*****
>> >
>> >
>> >                    FINAL RESULTS
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >   NSTEP       ENERGY          RMS            GMAX         NAME
>>NUMBER
>> >   2849      -6.7523E+04     8.3420E+00     3.2510E+01     O
>>13912
>> >
>> > BOND    =      152.6526  ANGLE   =     1964.1344  DIHED      =
>> >1373.5239
>> > VDWAALS =     5460.3923  EEL     =   -83974.9102  HBOND      =
>> > 0.0000
>> > 1-4 VDW =      446.5411  1-4 EEL =     7054.7227  RESTRAINT  =
>> > 0.0000
>> >
>> 
>>>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>--
>> >------
>> >   5.  TIMINGS
>> 
>>>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>--
>> >------
>> >
>> >
>> >When I heat the system there is sudden temperature rise and there is
>>job
>> >failure
>> >
>> > 4.  RESULTS
>> 
>>>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>--
>> >------
>> >
>> >|  # of SOLUTE  degrees of freedom (RNDFP):   58896.
>> >|  # of SOLVENT degrees of freedom (RNDFS):       0.
>> >|  NDFMIN =   58896.     NUM_NOSHAKE =      0     CORRECTED RNDFP =
>> >58896.
>> >|  TOTAL # of degrees of freedom (RNDF) =   58896.
>> > ---------------------------------------------------
>> > APPROXIMATING switch and d/dx switch using CUBIC SPLINE INTERPOLATION
>> > using   5000.0 points per unit in tabled values
>> > TESTING RELATIVE ERROR over r ranging from 0.0 to cutoff
>> >| CHECK switch(x): max rel err =   0.2738E-14   at   2.422500
>> >| CHECK d/dx switch(x): max rel err =   0.8314E-11   at   2.736960
>> > ---------------------------------------------------
>> >| Local SIZE OF NONBOND LIST =     542540
>> >| TOTAL SIZE OF NONBOND LIST =    3363880
>> >
>> > NSTEP =        0   TIME(PS) =       0.000  TEMP(K) =     0.12  PRESS =
>> >0.0
>> > Etot   =    -67516.1138  EKtot   =         6.8292  EPtot      =
>> > -67522.9430
>> > BOND   =       152.6526  ANGLE   =      1964.1344  DIHED      =
>> > 1373.5239
>> > 1-4 NB =       446.5411  1-4 EEL =      7054.7227  VDWAALS    =
>> > 5460.3924
>> > EELEC  =    -83974.9102  EHBOND  =         0.0000  RESTRAINT  =
>> >0.0000
>> > Ewald error estimate:   0.1430E-04
>> >
>> 
>>>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>--
>> >----
>> >
>> > NMR restraints: Bond =    0.000   Angle =     0.000   Torsion =
>>0.000
>> 
>>>========================================================================
>>>==
>> >=====
>> >
>> > NSTEP =      500   TIME(PS) =       0.250  TEMP(K) =   390.88  PRESS =
>> >0.0
>> > Etot   =    -43652.3272  EKtot   =     22873.9328  EPtot      =
>> > -66526.2600
>> > BOND   =       121.3939  ANGLE   =      1830.2706  DIHED      =
>> >358.2286
>> > 1-4 NB =       317.7664  1-4 EEL =      7130.6186  VDWAALS    =
>> >12348.3728
>> > EELEC  =    -90162.0935  EHBOND  =         0.0000  RESTRAINT  =
>> > 1529.1826
>> > EAMBER (non-restraint)  =    -68055.4426
>> > Ewald error estimate:   0.3642E-03
>> >
>> 
>>>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>--
>> >----
>> >
>> > NMR restraints: Bond =    0.000   Angle =     0.000   Torsion =
>>0.000
>> 
>>>========================================================================
>>>==
>> >=====
>> >
>> >
>> >Thanks
>> >Kirtana
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