Re: [AMBER] Cluster considerations

From: Marek Maly <marek.maly.ujep.cz>
Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 05:42:59 +0100

Hi Peker,
we are solving similar problem, so here is just for the inspiration actual
suggestion from our IT guy regarding the new GPU machine on our
department.
Total price is around $4k according to actual Czech prices :)) ( $1 = cca
18 CZK ).

I would be grateful for any eventual important comment/notice from the
experienced GPU guys.

Best wishes,

    Marek


#1
MOTHERBOARD
Asus Crosshair IV Extreme - AMD 890FX
http://www.czechcomputer.cz/product.jsp?artno=81412

#2
CPU
AMD Phenom II X6 1090T Black Edition
http://www.czechcomputer.cz/product.jsp?artno=76791

#3
RAM
2 x Corsair Dominator 8GB (8GB=2x4GB) DDR3 1600 = 16 GB in total

#4
HDD
Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 - 750GB (here we can go also with 1TB HDD)
http://www.czechcomputer.cz/product.jsp?artno=62801

#5
CASE
CoolerMaster HAF 932 Black
http://www.czechcomputer.cz/product.jsp?artno=61029
   OR
Nexus EDGE
http://www.czechcomputer.cz/product.jsp?artno=67025
( The first choice seems a little better to our IT regarding the given
purpose but it is already in sale …).
  Anyway regarding the CASE the important thing is enough space below the
last PCA-E slot - enough space for the last GPU …

#6
POWER SUPPLY
SilverStone Strider Plus Series SST-ST1500 1500W
http://www.czechcomputer.cz/product.jsp?artno=85705


#7
GPUs
3 x Asus ENGTX580/2DI/1536MD5, PCI-E
http://www.czechcomputer.cz/product.jsp?artno=83653

+

1 x GAINWARD VGA GTX-580 3072MB GDDR5
http://www.asus.cd/komponenty-2/gainward-vga-gtx-580-3072mb-gddr5-783-2010mhz-384bit-pcie-2xdvi-hdmi-dport/







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Dne Sat, 19 Feb 2011 04:29:18 +0100 peker milas <pekermilas.gmail.com>  
napsal/-a:
> Hi Brent and Ross,
>
> I am sorry for my late response but i was terribly sick last week.
> This GPU cluster idea is related with the need of pushing the
> simulation to higher time scales. I really want to simulate my system
> upto a microsecond. Unfortunately, it looks like we will not be able
> to start building it right away. You may probably guess that there are
> always funding issues.
>
> On the other hand we needed to have some information about the
> hardware. So, thank you so much Ross for enlightening us about
> hardware. Also, thank you so much Brent for letting us know about the
> other possible ways of simulation, and sharing your ideas.
>
> best
> peker
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 8:12 PM, Ross Walker <ross.rosswalker.co.uk>  
> wrote:
>> Hi Peker,
>>
>>> We are considering putting together a small GPU cluster for running
>>> AMBER simulations of some larger biomolecules (~100k atoms).
>>> Naturally, there are many decisions to be made and not a whole lot of
>>> documentation describing what works. Our budget is <$10k, so our first
>>> inclination is to buy four Intel i5s boxes, each with two GPUs
>>> connected over Gigabit Ethernet. Have people had good experiences with
>>> this sort of setup? In particular,
>>>
>>> 1) Has anyone had experience using GPUs in an MPI configuration over
>>> gigabit ethernet? Is Gigabit Ethernet capable of delivering the
>>> bandwidth/latency to keep the cards busy?
>>
>> The gigabit Ethernet will be fine for mounting a file system, say over  
>> NFS.
>> For MPI communication, to run simulations in parallel it will be  
>> completely
>> useless. For GPU runs in parallel across nodes you need QDR Infiniband  
>> as a
>> minimum. However, you'd be able to run in parallel within a node over  
>> one or
>> more GPUs.
>>
>>> 2) In the event that gigabit ethernet is insufficient, we have
>>> considered purchasing an Infiniband interconnect. This, of course,
>>
>> Only if you want to run across multiple nodes. If you have multiple  
>> jobs you
>> could always just run them on individual nodes which should be fine.
>>
>>> would require 3x16 PCIe lanes, which no consumer motherboard I have
>>> seen provides. It seems like the most common configuration is one x16
>>
>> See: http://www.provantage.com/supermicro-x8dtg-qf~7SUPM39V.htm
>>
>> Works well with 4 GPUs in one box. All 4 lanes are X16. If you want the
>> specs for a complete machine here's an option:
>>
>> http://www.rosswalker.co.uk/foo.htm
>>
>>> slot with two x8 slots. This brings us to the question, how much does
>>> AMBER rely on GPU-CPU data transfers? Would running two GPUs with 8
>>> lanes each substantially reduce performance? Is there a way we could
>>> disable 8 lanes of our current setup for benchmarking purposes?
>>
>> Running in parallel across multiple GPUs will be poor if you only have  
>> them
>> in x8 slots. It should not affect single GPU runs too much. Maybe 10%  
>> or so.
>> However, for running a single calculation across multiple GPUs then you  
>> need
>> them all in x16 slots.
>>
>> All the best
>> Ross
>>
>> /\
>> \/
>> |\oss Walker
>>
>> ---------------------------------------------------------
>> |             Assistant Research Professor              |
>> |            San Diego Supercomputer Center             |
>> |             Adjunct Assistant Professor               |
>> |         Dept. of Chemistry and Biochemistry           |
>> |          University of California San Diego           |
>> |                     NVIDIA Fellow                     |
>> | http://www.rosswalker.co.uk | http://www.wmd-lab.org/ |
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